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RWE in Pharma

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How is RWE used in Pharma? What limitations do we currently see?

RWE
Pharmacovigilance
Pharmaceutical Industry
Real World Evidence
real world data
Stuti Desai
6 months ago

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The term real-world evidence (RWE) has generally referred to the key conclusions that could be derived from published studies in peer-reviewed journals. The information in these published studies comes from independent and company-sponsored research performed within targeted populations that often range from a few hundred to a few thousand patients. The process usually takes place over several years, and encompasses study concept, study funding, study execution, the summarization of results, publication of the information, and the definition of guidelines.
Traditional evidence has multiple uses today. Leading academic centers harness evidence and their own data to develop specific treatment approaches, pathways and order sets -standardized lists of treatment steps, diagnostics and therapeutics for a specific diagnosis - to make consistent and high quality treatment decisions. Health insurers and payers use guidelines and evidence as the basis for determining whether to support patient access and reimbursement coverage. Pharmaceutical, biopharmaceutical, and medical device companies need to constantly consult these studies to assess and determine their own strategies for undertaking follow-on studies, creating value dossiers and for medical communications.
On the other hand, real-world evidence is now becoming the foundation for new pricing strategies which are more explicitly linked to therapeutic value for patients and health outcomes benefits to health systems and risk-bearers. This evidence provides the support and confidence needed to undertake value-based contracting, deploy patient services, and to run the emerging new patient care management businesses that best manage care processes and resource utilization to optimize value.
In conclusion, real-world data and advanced analytics are changing how clinical trials are designed, how medical affairs experts may identify the ‘long responders’ to specific treatment approaches, and how commercial organizations are evaluating the effectiveness of patient services programs. Increasingly, sources of real-world data provide a focus on the total population within a region or country, encompassing the various questions and insights that distribution data or chart reviews may have provided in the past.

SEVERIANO ESCRIBANO LUCAS, PhD
6 months ago
Great points made by Severiano here. - Randy 5 months ago
Hi Dr. Lucas, thanks for your input. I know that RWE is typically used in Phase III but I am wondering if its use is of importance during any other time/phase. Thanks - Stuti 4 months ago
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RWE for nutraceuticals, botanicals and other non-prescription products can be valuable if done in a more credible manner. That direction could be helpful to firms producing and patients deciding upon products in this area.

Randy Vogenberg, PhD
4 months ago
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What makes RWE good also makes it bad in terms related to traditional clinical research and product development timelines.
By the time RWE is determined, collected and documented there can be different or more valuable RWE required in the marketplace. This is particularly timely given the structural changes underway in U.S. healthcare along with meaningful metrics for the variety of key stakeholders related to a value proposition.

Randy Vogenberg, PhD
3 months ago
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Pietro Carotenuto Thank you so much for sharing the RWE link. It was indeed helpful. And to connect it all back to my original posed question about limitations, the article nicely sums that up in a few key words discussed below.
The article states, "Compiling a set of real world evidence does not, in and of itself, accelerate the process. It's what we do with the data and analysis that can create efficiencies and speed....We'd typically bring in clinical and claims data, plus some EMR data, and we might have observational studies as well. Then there's an iterative cycle of sorting through those data sources, programming specific analyses, then changing our minds or asking new questions, and the cycle goes on."
As I engage with more people involved in Pharma, they share the limitations of bringing different types of data sources and bringing it all onto one platform and to be able to use it for something meaningful. In fact, one of the biggest limitations i've come accross is bring able to turn unstructured data into structured data to find hidden relationships discoveries.
People assume that analysis takes a long time (requoting the article and also agreeing with it). And indeed one of the biggest challenge is "coming in with a fresh point of view that things don't have to operate the way they always did". I can't agree more to the fact that, "Doing analyses faster, cheaper and more efficiently in no way compromises completeness or quality!"
That last piece definitely hit home for me. And its true, it is hard to convice the folks to look at a new perspective and try new innovative technology that may aid in accelerating and optimizing their current processes. This has been my personal experience and I do not speak for other folks.

Stuti Desai
3 months ago
Dear Stuti, I perfectly agree with you and your experience matches with real problems occurring. - Pietro 3 months ago
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Hi Janice - I have talked to many people these past few weeks about this question and some the answers were involving evidence collected from pre-selected cohort studies, medical records, data from Insurance claims, social media forums, and mobility apps. This data can be used for RWE in pharma for drug toxicity, adverse events, efficacy. I was interested in other peoples take on this topic.

Stuti Desai
6 months ago
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Let me start with a necessary step, defining RWE - I take it you mean Real-World Evidence.
The term may be new, but the activity is not. As I see it, it has been around under another term - Post Market-Approval Surveyance - for decades. In my direct experience, that activity monitors and deals with product-quality issues, side-effects, efficacy, etc., and reports it on a regular, scheduled basis to the authority, in this case the FDA.
What does RWE do?
Using a definition I have come across, it "provides significant insight into how a drug or drug class performs or is used in real-world medical settings". So in a way it does the same as post-market surveyance.
What may have changed is the process that quickly transforms real-world data sources such as claims data or electronic medical records (EMR) into evidence. I have no evidence that this actually goes on and in consequence improves health outcomes for patients. If it does, all is well.
Does the effort help biopharmaceutical companies develop better therapies more quickly? l doubt it; and if there is an effect in this direction, I expect it to be marginal. Meaningful improvements of this type are more likely based on new findings generated by basic research.
The real difference today, as compared to say 20 years ago, is our ability to compile data more quickly, and analyze the data more thouroughly. However, giving this activity a new name makes little difference.

Karel Petrak
6 months ago
Agree with concepts identified by Karel. - Randy 5 months ago
Hi Karel - I can certainly agree with some of the points you made. Thanks for the input. To answer your question above on using information from EMR as evidence. Yes, i have talked to organizations that use such information as evidence for Post Market Surveillance. And any evidence is usually taken into consideration. - Stuti 4 months ago
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In my experience, the key difference between RWE (also RWD for real world data) and clinical trials is the lack of control. Clinical trials control for every variable from demography to disease and treatment history. Patients check in and are expected to complete diaries that indicate proper usage of the drug at a set dose and use pattern.
In the real world, the drug is taken by patients often very differently than prescribed (eg, poor compliance), in conjunction with other meds that were exclusion criteria in the trial (so there may be DDIs - drug/drug interactions or safety issues), doctors prescribe different doses or use the drug in a different place in the algorithm than indicated in the trial (eg, first line or add on therapy).
Thus the concept of RWE is to see how the drug REALLY performs in a real world scenario. Often drug registries are used for this purpose.

Nancy Barlow
6 months ago
The question posed is "How is RWE used in Pharma?" Nancy does not address that; instead she talks about doctors' prescribing and patient compliance. This is beyond Pharma's control... - Karel 6 months ago
Pharma is one part of a larger healthcare ecosystem, something that pharma always struggles with. - Randy 5 months ago
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I have been involved with the development of "botanical drugs", a specific drug regulatory classification (ie. multicomponent botanical mixtures based on traditional medicines). Here the FDA does consider RWE in determining where clinical development may begin.

Janice E. Thompson, Ph.D.
6 months ago
This makes sense for cases such as this when "the item" (such a mixture of herbs) has been used as a matter of tradition (however, without any particular controls). For new drugs that are developed by Pharma the process follows a "reverse" course, even if a starting point may be a compound found and derived from a natural source (such as a herb). These two cases are fundamentally different. - Karel 6 months ago
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As the definition of RWE's use in Pharma has been provided here, I wil expand on why pharma relies on RWD from RWE studies. RWE studies draw on RWD from real life practice, including data obtained from insurance claims, patient registries, or electronic health records. These data are more likely to reflect the experience of heterogeneous groups who may not have been previously engaged in RCTs. However, the limitations of RWD should not discounted. These include: biased data based on physician's preferences.For example, physicians alter the description of the disease to meet insurance coverage requirements, and do not disclose errors. FDA has been made aware of these considerations as they evaluate the quality of RWE to support market approvals.

Polina Pomerants
6 months ago
Pharma is too FDA centric and leaving out key players like purchasers of care who will driving the future of who uses or buys drugs. - Randy 5 months ago
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I would argue RWE is not used by Pharma much. Although- I'm not in the biotech industry. I am however- part of the patient centerdness movement and an Ambassador fot the Patient Centered Outcomes Research Institute. What is incredibly inportant in ALL medical treatments is that patients have access to info on various treatments and be able to weigh all options and select the best one FOR THEM. It's changing- but health care is generally about avoiding death and mitigating "bad" things. Drug trials and things are already extremely pricey without increasing sizes of trial patient panels and things. To use a clear example- still today, a lot of surgeries result in loss of continence and loss of sexual function. Depending on the specific prostate issue- some surgeons can avoid these effects. Regardless- risks and impacts for the most part are not clearly explained to patients before surgery. Risks and benefits of different treatments are not explained. RWE vary great. Same is true for pharma. lots of work to be done!

Lisa Kilawee
5 months ago
Hi Lisa, pharmaceutical industry actually has specific teams whose function is RWE. These roles may include conducting statistical analysis using claims data and/or EHRs, as well as partnering with leaders across R&D, Safety, Medical Affairs, and Commercial Teams to determine the evidence needs and study design. - Polina 4 months ago
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Thanks all for your input. Taking this slightly further, any inputs on how easily RWE can be obtained in Pharma? Is this a challenge as well or have we found methods to do this quite easily? Thoughts...

Stuti Desai
4 months ago
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RWE gets alot of talk time but not much action due to the legal & regulatory downsides.
Its likely that alternative data collection, analyses and dissemination will occur by disruptive entities over the next few years.

Randy Vogenberg, PhD
4 months ago
Hi Dr. Vogenberg, Can you clarify the legal and regulatory downsides in more detail? - Stuti 4 months ago
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And here is another idea.
Phase 0 to Phase 4 clinical studies are typically tightly controlled.
For getting real RWE data, why not set up and run Phase 5 clinical studies?
Design: follow dosing recommendations as per package insert.
Data: as recorded by patients (e.g., by filling a simple template to document compliance or a lack of).
Data: drug effects and side effects as reported by patients.
Clinical input: periodic scheduled medical exams to monitor overall outcomes (with test depending on indication & drug).

Karel Petrak
4 months ago
Hi Karel, Definitely a fair input. I had a similar thought but wasn't sure on how lengthy this process would be. Perhaps making it a part of an existing phase would help reduce the time factor. - Stuti 4 months ago
Certainly; and extension of Phase IV to accommodate this would be a good fit to its purpose - a long-term, a post-market approval examination. - Karel 4 months ago
Hi Karel.. In some countries it is used what it is named "Risk Management Plan" for products that has been recently registered in such countries. The report is exactly what it happens with the "real use" of the product. But the difference with your idea is that it is the Medical Doctor who makes the reports. It could be very interesting to receive the report from patients also.. Regards - Ventura 3 months ago
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I am also curious to know which technologies are currently involved when working with RWE? This process can be lengthy and data comes from a lot of different sources.

Stuti Desai
4 months ago
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With the meaningful use delay for another year, EMR/EHR advances will continue to drag on slowing opportunities for RWE. Other players may step in to fill the void along with other transformative events leading to a disruption in data handling and storage to ease flow of real-time patient data.

Randy Vogenberg, PhD
4 months ago
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Recently, the International Institute for Analytics interviewed Jamie Powers of SAS and produced a white paper, Real World Evidence in Life Sciences: What Happens After Clinical Trials? The paper explores how RWE is transforming drug development, the new opportunities and benefits from RWE, and the challenges that remain. I copy the link here https://www.sas.com/en_us/whitepapers/iia-real-world-evidence-life-sciences-107891.html
Should be helpful to discuss about RWE

Pietro Carotenuto
3 months ago
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RWE is a standard for the pharmaceutical industry. Medicine wouldn't be on the market if there wasn't evidence that it works in clinical settings. And even when the product is available on the market, it will always be monitored to see if there are SAE (serious adverse effects) that develop over time.

Maartje Geraedts
12 days ago

Have some input?